Greece's New Economics Minister 'Europe Doesn't Need To Be Afraid'
Greece wants to remain in the euro zone, but Athens wishes to renegotiate everything relating to the current austerity regime. SPIEGEL spoke with Economics Minister Giorgios Stathakis about how the new government intends to address that challenge.
SPIEGEL: Mr. Stathakis, should Europe be afraid of a self-confident Greece that refuses to pay its debts?
Stathakis: Afraid of what? No, you don't need to be afraid. Syriza was all along arguing that the terms imposed by the troika have extremely negative effects on our economy and on our people and that they must be changed. The same is also true of Europe.
SPIEGEL: How do you mean?
Stathakis: By way of changes to financial policy toward a more expansive public monetary policy. Our citizens are tired after five years of strict austerity; they feel as though they have been punished by Europe. We need a new agenda for a healthy economic development and a sturdy fiscal framework that alleviates the negative social effects of the crisis. That is why Syriza's election victory could help push through a new type of crisis management in Europe.
SPIEGEL: Still, with his demands for a debt cut and promises of billions in gifts to Greek voters, Alexis Tsipras has frightened his European partners.
Stathakis: We have always said that the solution to our problems must be a European one, with agreement from Europeans on the basis of a very sound idea of mutual interests. That's why we have partners. On the other hand, it has to be a major policy shift to be made in Greece. That is unavoidable.
SPIEGEL: Will Greece remain a member of the euro zone?
Stathakis: Definitely, yes.
SPIEGEL: What will be the first measures taken by your government?
Stathakis: Step number one is finding a response to the humanitarian crisis facing our country. We have to alleviate the extreme suffering of the people, some of whom can't even afford power anymore. After that we will -- week-by-week, step-by-step -- address additional problems to structurally improve the social situation and to strengthen the economy.
SPIEGEL: To do that, you need money. Programs to provide healthcare and food to those in need combined with increases to the minimum wage and retirement benefits are likely to cost close to 13 billion ($14.74 million). Making matters more complicated, the current EU aid program for Greece expires at the end of February.
Stathakis: That is true, which is why we will begin negotiations as quickly as possible, but not with the troika. We will take the initiative and meet with European leaders. We want to agree on a framework for a new agreement with them -- with the approval of our European partners.
SPIEGEL: What do you mean specifically when you speak of wanting to renegotiate the bailout package?
Stathakis: We need a practicable solution to get Greece's public debt under control. Currently, around 5 percent of our gross domestic product goes toward servicing our debt. It would be better were debt payments pegged to growth: In times of higher growth, we'd pay more. In times of lower growth, we'd pay less. At the same time, strict austerity needs to be replaced by a new agreement on the following basis: We want a balanced budget, we want to adhere to fiscal rules, but we also need growth impulses for our economy.
SPIEGEL: Should the debt haircut Syriza is demanding be at the beginning of such negotiations or at the end?
Stathakis: It is too early to say. But everything is up for negotiation.
SPIEGEL: What happens if the Europeans don't agree to a new debt cut?
Stathakis: We should wait to see the results of the talks and how realistic new proposals in the fight against debt really are. We aren't the only ones who have ideas. There are also deliberations in Germany and at the IMF. The agenda is totally open.
SPIEGEL: Athens is currently scheduled to pay down 2.3 billion in debt by the end of February ...
Stathakis: We will serve that.
Stathakis: We will serve that.
SPIEGEL: Your governing coalition consists of the radical leftist party Syriza and the right-wing populist party Independent Greeks. Aside from your rejection of austerity demands from Brussels, not much unites your two parties. How is a government like that supposed to function?
Stathakis: Syriza is the main party in the government and we have a small partner with whom we have great differences on many points. Both sides are aware of them. But it was the only option for a stable government, and that will be enough for a time. The important thing is: We will implement our social program, the administration reform and the renewal of our relationship with Europe. That is 100 percent Syriza. We will have to find compromises when it comes to other issues.
SPIEGEL: Because of your thin majority, should the Greeks begin preparing for snap elections soon just like in 2012?
Stathakis: No, with a few independent parliamentarians, our government will be able to rely on a broader political basis. We are the best and most stable government in decades.