SPIEGEL Interview with Ayad Allawi 'We Are Further than Ever from National Reconciliation'
Former Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi talks with SPIEGEL about the Bush administrations strategy for Iraq, what the Iraqis themselves have failed to do, and the dangers presented by the countrys ethnic and confessional divisions.
A terror attack on a busy market in Karbala: "We must build a state that is in the position to defend democracy."
Allawi: Gen. Petraeus visited me in my house right after it started. I asked him: What will you do when this offensive is over? Will you go home? He answered: Thats your responsibility. We are coming to prepare the field for you politicians. It was never the goal of this increase in troops to solve all the security problems for good. The goal was to create the conditions that would enable Iraqs political classes to start down the path of reconciliation. Without that there will never be any security.
SPIEGEL: What have you -- the politicians -- done with this short breathing space?
SPIEGEL: On the other hand, the US military can point to some progress, for example, in the Sunni Anbar province, where US President George Bush visited last week, or in Baghdad.
Allawi: Thats true. But we have to be frank precisely because the United States has made such sacrifices and because Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker have shown goodwill. We now have a number of crises to deal with that go far beyond pure security aspects. It wasnt only the supporters of Saddams regime that have been neutralized politically. The same goes for Sunnis pushing for reconciliation, for secularists like us, for those that listen to the preacher Muqtada al-Sadr, for members of the Fadhila Party based in southern Iraq -- that is, even for millions of religious Shiites. All of these groups have been disenfranchised politically and some are now attacking each other.
SPIEGEL: You demand that Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki resign. But what would happen then?
Allawi: A new government must be formed that bundles all political forces to ensure a process of national reconciliation. In order to get things started, there must be a general amnesty with exceptions only for terrorists and serious criminals. An Iraqi government can only provide security if the state institutions take away the influence of the various militias and disband them. This would mean for the army alone that up to 40 percent of the current number of troops would need to be replaced by soldiers and officers from the old army and new recruits. Proper tools are needed to ensure security. That means a police force and an army that is loyal to the state -- not to a specific confessional group or a clan.
SPIEGEL: What role would the US military have in this scenario?
Allawi: First of all, they would have to safeguard such a transfer. Then, little by little, the United Nations, the G8 states, the Gulf Cooperation Council and the Organization of the Islamic Conference must begin to take over responsibility for security in Iraq. Ive been pushing for such an internationalization for a long time. Ive sent letters to the American president, the British prime minister, as well as the leaders of Japan and Germany.
SPIEGEL: How did the Germans respond?
Allawi: We know that Berlin is interested in playing a role in the stabilization of Iraq. During my tenure as prime minister, Germany trained Iraqi security forces and we received German equipment -- Heckler & Koch pistols for the police, paid for by the United Arab Emirates. Germany was also very helpful in expanding NATOs role in Iraq.
SPIEGEL: Very few countries will be willing to send troops to Iraq while others are pulling theirs out. What could they do differently?
Allawi: The involvement of other nations will greatly influence the behavior of our neighbors, for example Iran. It makes a big difference to Tehrans policy on Iraq if its only facing the United States or if it's also facing Germany, Japan or large Islamic countries.
SPIEGEL: How do you explain that the Bush administration continues to back Maliki despite growing criticism?
US President George W. Bush (left) walks in front of Humvees with Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice: "We are coming to prepare the field for you politicians."
SPIEGEL: Would you like to replace Nouri al-Maliki yourself at the helm of the government?
Allawi: I am not prepared to serve a sectarian regime. If we can achieve a broad, clear mandate for national unity, where it doesnt matter if someone is Kurd or Arab, Sunni or Shiite, then I am ready to take any post.
SPIEGEL: What could you then promise your secular supporters?
Allawi: We must build a state that is in the position to defend democracy. And the institutions of this state must have a place for all Iraqis: in the schools, in the universities, in the business sector. But a new government will first have to rule with state of emergency laws -- laws, mind you, that all groups agree to -- not like the current anti-terror laws that are being used to persecute disfavored parties.
SPIEGEL: People accuse you of having had contact with the Sunni countries neighboring Iraq and of having been motivated by their agendas.
Allawi: I speak regularly with the Turkish leadership -- which is a decisive factor in the region. I also meet with Saudi Arabias King Abdullah, Egypts President (Hosni) Mubarak, and with Gulf state leaders. Its all about preserving the regional balance, that is, to offset Irans growing influence.
SPIEGEL: How is it that you are seen throughout the Middle East as a man working for western intelligence services?
Allawi: Im not. When Saddam was in power, a few countries helped us. Egypt let us set up a radio station, Turkey allowed us access to Kurdistan. The president of the Iraqi National Congress, Ahmad Chalabi, has admitted to receiving money from the CIA. But the Sunnis, secularists like us, the Kurds -- we were all part of the National Congress. Only one thing is prohibited these days in Iraq: to speak with President Mubarak or the kings of Jordan and Saudi Arabia. Mention the word Arabism and you will be accused of being an intelligence agent.
Interview conducted by Bernhard Zand.