SPIEGEL Interview with Turkish Foreign Minister Davutoglu 'Turkey Doesn't Want Chaos in the Middle East'
With protests in Iran continuing, the Middle East seems as unstable as ever. SPIEGEL spoke with Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, 50, about the regional implications of the unrest and about his country's difficult relationship with Europe.
SPIEGEL: Minister Davutoglu, Iran, Turkey's neighbor, is in the midst of the worst unrest since the Islamic Revolution 30 years ago. After having served for many years as Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's foreign policy advisor, you are very familiar with Iran. What is your assessment of the situation?
Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan wants stable relations with all his neighbors. Here, with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in 2008.
SPIEGEL: Did you expect political developments in Iran to take such an explosive turn?
Davutoglu: Yes, absolutely. As a country with very close relations with Iran, we knew how dynamic both the society and the political culture there are. I noticed two particularities in this election. First, there was the extremely animated and fiercely contested campaign phase, and then there was the high election turnout. This led to the emergence of very different interpretations of results after the election. I think that we should take this as a sign that the political process in Iran is very healthy.
SPIEGEL: But it is precisely the result that all of the president's challengers are calling into question. According to the opposition, this election was seriously manipulated.
Davutoglu: We must leave the discussion of the issue to the Iranians. We cannot intervene from the outside.
SPIEGEL: Is there not much more at stake here, namely a struggle for democracy?
Davutoglu: That may be true, in the sense that the Iranian masses want to be heard. The people are unwilling to leave politics solely to the state, and they are very passionate. But I am not prepared to pass judgment as to whether or not the elections were properly carried out.
SPIEGEL: Have you congratulated Iranian President Ahmadinejad on his victory?
Davutoglu: Of course. This is standard procedure between two nations with friendly relations.
SPIEGEL: Perhaps you will have to congratulate a new Iranian president once again in the coming weeks.
Davutoglu: In any case, we will respect the outcome of the political conflict in Iran.
SPIEGEL: Then perhaps you could help us to better understand your neighbor Iran. Have we in the West underestimated the "green movement" of reformist candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi?
Davutoglu: It isn't just about Mousavi. I believe that the West generally has a simplified view of the situation. The West is still dominated by a Cold War-like logic when it comes to Iran. This results in a black-and-white image of the country. The true picture is far more complex. Iran also has a system of checks and balances, and it has more than one center of power. And there are various competing movements and individuals. This "human factor" in Iranian politics is often overlooked in the West.
SPIEGEL: Let's talk about President Ahmadinejad, who visited Turkey in the summer of 2008. Doesn't the alleged victory of hardliner Ahmadinejad have to be described as a political step backward for the peace process in the Middle East?
Davutoglu: I don't believe that the ideological division into so-called hardliners or moderates is helpful. As far as relations with other countries are concerned, it is more important to look at a politician's pragmatism. It is in the interest of all parties in the Middle East that we achieve peace and stability, and that we transform our region into a shared zone of prosperity.
SPIEGEL: But Mousavi's "green movement" already enjoys significantly more sympathy abroad than the Ahmadinejad camp.
Davutoglu: Do you think this political color theory is really useful? Let's not talk about colors. The Iranians are proud people. All of us want to see them bring their own dispute to an end. We hope that these developments will end positively, in line with a participatory political culture.
SPIEGEL: We find it striking that all candidates support the Tehran government's decision to continue the Iranian nuclear program. Even Iranians abroad support it. And the Turkish government has also expressed sympathy for Iran's nuclear aspirations.
SPIEGEL: Do you trust Tehran? The Europeans and Americans are considerably more skeptical on this issue.
Davutoglu: We think that two principles should be applied here. First, every country has the right to the peaceful use of nuclear energy in consultation with the IAEA. Second, we must abide by the principle of non-proliferation of nuclear weapons. It is important that all countries, including Iran, gain the trust of the international community. We too do not want a nuclear bomb at our doorstep. That's why we proposed the creation of a nuclear weapons-free zone in our region.
SPIEGEL: President Ahmadinejad has repeatedly stated that there is no room for negotiations, at least not on the issue of halting uranium enrichment. How then, with Turkey having offered to serve as an intermediary, do you plan to bring Iran back to the negotiating table?
Davutoglu: I believe that the key lies in a new policy of détente in the region. It is important to reduce political tensions to give diplomacy a chance to work once again. In this respect, we very much welcome the position of the new US government of President Barack Obama, under which certain principles must apply to all countries in the region. And we are not just talking about the Iranian nuclear issue, but an entire range of problems in the Middle East. Turkey is assuming an important responsibility in this regard, because we enjoy the trust of all governments in the region, including the Iranian government.
SPIEGEL: The fact that you are on such good terms with Iran has another of your good friends worried: Israel. Could the Turkish-Iranian rapprochement come at the cost of the partnership with Israel?
Davutoglu: Rapprochement would mean that we had bad relations. No, Turkish-Iranian relations have long been good and stable. We want to have an untroubled relationship with all neighbors, which is precisely what we have achieved. Our relationship with Syria, which was troubled for decades, is now excellent. We are now on very good terms with Greece. We have invited all of the region's leaders to Ankara, including Iranian President Ahmadinejad, Israeli President Shimon Peres and former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert
SPIEGEL: but also Hamas leader Khalid Mashal.
- Part 1: 'Turkey Doesn't Want Chaos in the Middle East'
- Part 2: 'We Have Consistently Rejected the Expression 'Axis of Evil'